Tuesday, March 6, 2012

HESUS JOY CHRIST / Matthew's Two Discussion of Verse 17


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Since I get such a kick, still, out of blathering on about this stuff, here's the continuation of the discussion of HESUS JOY CHRIST / Matthew's Two !

Verse 17

17Then what was said through the prophet Jeremiah was fulfilled: . .. ...

from the Gospel of Matthew, Chapter Two, New International Version

Verse 17

17Then what was said through the prophet Jeremiah was fulfilled: . .. ...

from the text of the animation HESUS JOY CHRIST / Matthew's Two

written by R David Foster

Verse 17 Discussion

Quoting the Bible is probably liberally overdone, and deserves a discussion of its own. As well as other quotes in other episodes of HESUS JOY CHRIST , below are the three quotes in this episode being discussed – Matthew's Two .


Verse 6

6 "‘ But you, Bethlehem, in the Land of Judea, are by no means least among the rulers of Judah; for out of you will come a ruler who will be the shepherd of my people Israel.’ b

b 6 MICAH 5 : 2

Verse 6

6 “ ' The Lord said to my Lord:“Sit at my right handuntil I make your enemiesa footstool for your feet” ' a

a 6 MATTHEW 22 : 44 ; LUKE 20 : 42-43 ; PSALM 110 : 1


Verse 15

. .. ...15 where he stayed until the death of Herod. And so was fulfilled what the Lord had said through the prophet: “Out of Egypt I called my son.” d

d 15 HOSEA 11 : 1

Verse 15

. .. ... 15 where they stayed until the next end of the household. But the prophet foretold: “But the more they called Israel, the further they went from them.” b

b 15 HOSEA 11 : 2


Verse 18

18 “A voice is heard in Ramah,weeping and great mourning,Rachel weeping for her childrenand refusing to be comforted,Because they are no more.”a

a 18 JEREMIAH 31 : 15

Verse 18

18“ Restrain your voice from weepingand your eyes from tears,for your work will be rewarded. “c

c 18 JEREMIAH 31 : 16


The first quote, taken from the Bible, is from Micah Chapter five, verse two. In its place I have quoted Matthew, which is quoting Psalms, which Luke quotes as well.

But the other two quotes, as you may have noticed, in the animation text of this episode, have been substituted with the verse that immediately follows the original quote – Hosea 11:1 is substituted with Hosea 11:2 ; and Jeremiah 31:15 is substituted with Jeremiah 31:16 !! This occurs in Matthew's Three Fold as well – this substitution of the following verse when writing the animation text.

What is the purpose of quoting the Bible ? Well, just as in any quote, the idea is to support the claim being made. But in quoting the Bible, people try to support their idea, but furthermore, they seek to magically reinforce the divinity of the subject being discussed by showing it to be a fulfilled prophecy.

This is the purpose of the Bible quote of Hosea. The quote implies that the writer was foretelling the presence, or rather, the emergence of Jesus from Egypt. My opinion is that it is a lame attempt to show that Jesus was the one that the prophecies foretold.

The quote of Jeremiah, as well, fails to substantially support the argument that Jesus is the one that was foretold by the prophets. There are far better, and wider ranging, arguments that Jesus was and is the promised Messiah.

These quotes show that taking a quote out of context can support pretty much anything. It is understood, generally, that one should support their argument with references, but I could easily take issue with this. The entirety of HESUS JOY CHRIST uses the Gospel of Matthew to support the case for marriage, and that marriage is divine. But such a grand argument, that marriage is divine, cannot draw support from quotes taken here and there. Rather, the entirety of the Old and New Testaments must be understood before one may see their point being marriage, the balance of whole and part.

So just as the Old Testament points to, and is fulfilled in, the New Testament, the sacred faith of the Hebrews that Christianity builds on, points to and is fulfilled in the union of marriage, and any other balance of whole and part.

This is like a paper I wrote in university for my Natural Man, social science course. The topic was Darwin's Origin of Species, better known as Evolution. I essentially used a book called The Geometry of Meaning, by Arthur M. Young, to outline where Evolution fits in, as well as where Creation, as opposite Evolution, fits in, and how the two relate. The teaching assistant wanted to know more about the book I was referring to when I had lifted most of the ideas in the paper I wrote, pretty much right out of that book. It got to the point that I actually had to tell the teaching assistant to go, get the book, and read it. The simple idea of how the two opposing ideas relate required a thorough understanding of the geometry of meaning.

So get going, read the Bible, consider it, and take up your personal balance of whole and part, whether it leads you to marriage or not.


Monday, March 5th, 2012


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